Thomas said to him “My Lord and my God” – John 20:28 (NIV)
Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) Says, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
Jesus said to them John 8:58 (NIV) “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “Before Abraham was born, I am!”
We believe the eternal Spirit that came upon Mary is the Father Luke 1:35 (NIV) The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.”
The son was the flesh and humanity but in him was the fullness of the eternal Father making Jesus both God and man. Colossians 2:9 (NIV) For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form
The New Testament never ever once mentions God the Son!
Jesus Christ was born in time and space and was a human being not some gnostic creature of the Old Testament. He was the Eternal Spirit of the Old Testament and the Son never came into existence until Bethlehem though his coming was from everlasting to everlasting. The mind of God created the worlds through him knowing He Himself would be manifested in flesh and in the world. Matthew 1:21-23 (NIV) She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[a] because he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[b] (which means “God with us”).
There is no God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. That is philosophy and theology. There is God the Father manifested in the Son and the fullness of God in the Son became the Holy Ghost and comforter we experience now in the church age. His name is Jesus. He is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. That is why we baptize in his name. Acts 2:38 (NIV) “Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
The co-equal co-eternal theory is a philosophy that entered into the church at the Council of Nicaea when Constantinople the Emperor of the Roman Empire wanted unity and decided to make Christianity the state religion in 325 AD.
Athanasius and Arius brought positions forth and Athanasius won; the non-Trinitarian Arius maintained that the Son of God was a Creature made from nothing, begotten directly of the Eternal God, and that he was God’s First Production, before all ages. And he argued that everything else was created through the Son. Thus, said the Arians, only the Son was directly created and begotten of God; and therefore there was a time that He had no existence. Arius believed that the Son of God was capable of His own free will of right and wrong, and that “were He in the truest sense a son, He must have come after the Father, therefore the time obviously was when He was not, and hence He was a finite being”,
The Nicene fathers countered the Arians’ argument, saying that the Father’s fatherhood, like all of his attributes, is eternal. Thus, the Father was always a Father, and that the Son, therefore, always existed with him, co-equally and con-substantially. The Nicene fathers believed that to follow the Arian view destroyed the unity of the Godhead, and made the Son unequal to the Father. They insisted that such a view was in contravention of such Scriptures as “I and the Father are one” and “the Word was God”, as such verses were interpreted. With Athanasius, they declared that the Son had no beginning, but had an “eternal derivation” from the Father, and therefore was co-eternal with him, and equal to God in all aspects.
It was voted upon and the philosophy of the trinity began. The term Trinity is not in the bible. There were 4 Christological early church councils in the newly formed Roman Empire Church. Nicaea 325 AD then Costantinople 381 AD then Ephesus 431 AD then Chalcedon in 451 AD
They were over the Godhead. The last two especially had to do with the Holy Ghost being a person thus the elaborate doctrine of the trinity was formed, accepted and established. The belief that there are three persons in the Godhead is a lie. It is philosophy and theology kept by most of the confessing church.
It must be understood that the average person through out church history did not study theology. The average Christian doesn’t go through all the councils etc. Many people take it for granted that Jesus died for them and he is God. It is the theologies tucked away through history that embrace and perpetuate the doctrine of the Trinity.
After the Church Councils we can see how easy child baptism could happen in the titles father, son and Holy Ghost. When the reformation came the Trinity theology was rarely questioned though through out church history there were people and groups that questioned it.
Jesus said in Matthew 24:36 (NIV) “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father.
Jesus was a man and though the eternal Spirit was in him as a man his brain and biological being could not hold all knowledge or he would not have been a human being. Arius argued at the Council of Nicaea that only the Father was God separating Jesus from the Father. We do not take that position. We say Jesus and the Father are one and that Jesus is the express image of the Father Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature Colossians 1:15 (NIV) Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.”
God is a Spirit John 4:24. In Luke 24:39 (NIV) Jesus said “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” We see Jesus as God manifested in the flesh 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) ” And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
Jesus said: “the Father is greater than I” John 14:28 (NIV) “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”
These kind of Scriptures have confused theologians through the ages so they create a trinity or like the Arians of old and todays Jehovah Witness a total separation of Jesus and the Father. We say the Father is God and greater than the humanity and flesh manifested in space and time but we locate the Father and he is in Jesus Christ
Jesus is eternal as the Father. His personal pronoun I contained the entire propensity as the Father and the Son. He could say “destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up” John 2:19. Paul says in Romans 8:11 (NIV) “And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.” Peter says in Acts 2:24 (NIV) But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. Again Peter says in Acts 2:32 (NIV) “God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. “
When Jesus says “I will raise it up) He is talking as the eternal Father. He could do that because he was God and man. He was God the Father and the Son of God to die on the cross bringing a perfect sacrifice with the shedding of his blood and sinless life.
How do we reconcile one God praying to another God in Gethsemane? Luke 22:41-43 (NIV) “He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him.”
We see this passage of Scripture as the Son yielding his humanity and flesh to the will of the eternal Spirit. We see Jesus the man yielding to the other side of his nature being God. Jesus was not some gnostic flesh going to the cross. He was a real human being yet he had the nature of God.
It wasn’t God the Son praying to God the Father in Gethsemane. It wasn’t some co-equal being praying to another co-equal being.
“Hear Oh Israel the Lord our God is one”…NOT THREE! Deuteronomy 6:4
Jesus is Jehovah’s Salvation. He is Elohim and the only God we will ever see in heaven. There are not three glorified beings in heaven only one Jesus Christ. Paul seen him glorified on the road to Damascus. Acts 9: 3-6 (NIV) As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” 5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.” Latter Paul says of this experience Acts 26:12-14 (NIV) “On one of these journeys I was going to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests. 13 About noon, King Agrippa, as I was on the road, I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, blazing around me and my companions. 14 We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic,[a] ‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’
Daniel 7:9-10 (NIV) “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool; His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. A river of fire was coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him;.. ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.”
These passages correspond so well with Revelation 1:12-17 (NIV) “I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lamp stands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance. 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.”
Latter in Rev. 20:11 (NIV) Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.”
Then in Rev. 21:5-6 (NIV) “He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life”
This so obviously shows that the vision of Daniel 7 is the Christ of Rev 1 and this one who takes the throne in Rev 20 is the one who is on the throne in Rev. 21 who is the alpha and omega of Rev 1:5 Rev 1:12-17
Jesus Christ is God. The terms Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Lamb is all the same person.
Exodus 3:13-14 (NIV) 13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’” Jesus tells them in John 8:57-58 (NIV) “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” The names in the Old Testament concerning attributes of the I Am of Exodus 3:14 all come together in Jesus.
“The Lord will Provide.” Gen. 22:14 – JEHOVAH-JIREH
“The Lord Who Heals” Ex. 15:22-26 – JEHOVAH-ROPHE
“The Lord Our Banner.” Ex. 17:15 – JEHOVAH-NISSI
We can go on and on but in Jesus these attributes of God dealing with his people are fulfilled.
Scriptures such as these represent Jehovah Elohim = “LORD God” Gen. 2:4; Judges 5:3; Isa. 17:6; Zeph. 2:9; Psa. 59:5, etc.
When Thomas in John 20:28 calls Jesus my Lord and my God it is powerful! He is a skeptical Jew. He knew Jesus Christ was the only true God.
Whenever we see El used 250 times in the Old Testament, Elohim used 2,570 times in the Old Testament, El Shaddia used 48 times in the Old Testament, Adonai used 300 times in the Old Testament or Jehovah used 6,823 in the Old Testament we seeing their total fulfillment in Jesus Christ. That’s why the name was brought by the angel Gabriel. Luke 1:26-33 (NIV) 26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” 29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be.30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
John 14:5-11 (NIV)“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going. 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
Jesus tells Philip have I been so long with you and you can’t see the father! He that has seen me has seen the Father. Jesus is the image of the Father. Then says it was the Father in him doing the works; it wasn’t the flesh, it was the Father. The eternal Spirit in him was doing the miracles. He tells them to believe the works and try to understand that God in him was the Father and his humanity was the Son of God like Gabriel said, not God the Son like man and his philosophy created out of a Greek intellectual tampering.
Latter in the same chapter he tells them he will send the Holy Spirit, which he says, is himself. John 14:16-18 (NIV) “And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.” Jesus Christ is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Ephesians 4:6 (NIV) one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Paul also wrote in Colossians 1:27 (NIV) To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Acts 2: 4 (NIv) “All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.”
1 Corinthians 12:13 (NIV) “For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body–whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free–and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”
We are in one Spirit and his name is Jesus
A boss who works at a company and is foreman and a CEO and the owner may have different positions but he is one.
If you go to a bank and you’re a father and a son and a husband and you try to cash a check signed father, husband, son what would they say? They would tell you those are your titles but to cash the check you need a name.
I ask you? Let’s say you pray for 45 minutes. Do you pray 15 minutes to the stereotyped old ancient Father on a throne then 15 minutes to the Son then 15 minutes to the Holy Ghost imagined as a dove? No, we pray to Jesus Christ because we know he was the one who died for us. There is a natural propensity to identify with his love.
Yes the Father suffered with the Son because they were fused together like John 10:30 (KJV) says, “I and my Father are one.”
Table of the Lord preaches and teaches Jesus is God and like the Apostle Paul we believe Philippians 2:8-11 (NIV) “And being found in appearance as a man he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Table of the Lord teaches and preaches that Jesus Christ is our Lord and God. Seeing and understanding all of this, is it any wonder that Table of the Lord baptizes in Jesus Name?
Oneness of God (Who do men say I am?)
Oneness of God (Church Councils)
The Fathers Name (Jesus Name)
Baptism in Jesus Name